Here is a question that we’ve heard hundreds of times.  I heard it again, when Shawn called and said, “I have always been told that you should talk about benefits, not features.  Why do you teach salespeople to do the opposite?”

My response was, “Suppose you are sitting in your office, and a salesperson calls you to say, ‘My Company can increase your profits without any out-of-pocket costs.  Let’s get together and I’ll show you how we do that.  Which is better for you, Tuesday at 10:00 or Thursday at 2:30?’  How would you react?”

Shawn answered, “Well, it is obvious that he is trying to get an appointment without revealing what he is selling.  My  prospecting pitch is not so obvious.”

So, I asked him to tell me what he says.

Here it is:  “My name is Shawn.  I’m with the Process Technology division of RMC.  We can lower your machine maintenance costs while increasing your profits.  How much is machine maintenance and downtime costing you now?”

My reply was, “Shawn, if that is working for you, why did you call us?”

“Well, it isn’t working very well,” he said, “that’s why I called.  Almost everyone refuses to answer the question.  Once in a while, someone will ask me to explain how we do that.  Then, I try to set an appointment to show them, and they refuse.”

“Why do you think you have been getting those results?” I asked.

“I think that people are so sick and tired of getting sales calls, that they treat all salespeople badly.”

I replied, “Top salespeople seldom get those kinds of reactions.  Have you considered that you might be creating those results?”

“Why would anyone not want to save money and increase profits?” he asked.

“Perhaps your ‘pitch’ makes them feel like a fish that is being offered a worm, with a great big hook sticking out of it,” I said.  “Most intelligent people react that way when presented with benefits that are intended to entice them.”

Most people who have a need for your products or services already know that they have the need.  Those prospects want a clear, very brief description of what you are selling, and they want to know a couple of important features.  If they can perceive the benefit of at least one of those features, you will usually get a positive response.”

“So, why does our sales manager tell us to only use benefits in our pitches?” Shawn asked.

“It’s probably because he believes that it is the right way to sell.  But, he does not remember how ineffective it was when he was selling – before he became a manager and trainer.”

“Well, if I don’t do it his way, I’ll probably lose my job,” he said.

“If you continue to do it his way, and your sales do not improve, do you think that you will keep your job?” I asked.

Shawn said he would have to think about that.

What do you think?

Posted by Jacques Werth at 6:31 pm
 

At the end of one of my training workshops on High Probability Selling (HPS), I asked the participants what they were going to do with what they had learned.  After some discussion, one of them asked another what she was going to do.

She answered, “I’m going to use High Probability Selling for one month.  I’ll compare my sales volume with the average of my previous twelve months.  If I come close to that average by just taking one course in HPS, I’ll keep using it and I’ll take the course over again.  If not, I’ll go back to the way I was selling before.  The worst that can happen is that I will lose one month’s income.”

She was already a very successful Realtor before she took the course, but was looking for a way to increase her sales while reducing her work hours.  Her willingness to try new things is what led to the success she already had, and also to the new success she found with High Probability Selling.

Posted by Jacques Werth at 8:00 am
 

This is a recent email conversation between Kirk Mousley of Mousley Consulting, Carl Ingalls of Embossing Technologies, and Jacques Werth of High Probability Selling.  The first email is a broadcast email from Kirk to his mailing list.  The remaining emails are between Kirk, Carl, and Jacques.

— From Kirk Mousley, 12 Oct 2010, 12:11pm —
Hi all,

Please let me know if you do not wish to receive any emails from me about updates to my company blog, and I will remove you from my emailing list.  I certainly hate spam myself, and really do not wish for people to view this as spam, and I will definitely remove you from the list if you desire.

For those of you that are interested, please check out my very short blog entry on “Working Together” at http://mouscon.blogspot.com/

I would love to know your thoughts!

Kirk Mousley, Ph.D.
President
Mousley Consulting, Inc.

— From Carl Ingalls, 19 Oct 2010, 4:35pm —
Kirk,

The email that you sent out to your mailing list indicates that you have decided to continue to treat the list as an “Opt-Out” list.  This means that people somehow get onto your list (whether they chose to or not), and that they have to take action to get off of it.

If you decide that you want to have an “Opt-In” list, you would write to them in a very different way.  You would be telling them that, in order to continue to receive blog updates from you by email, they would have to take action to specifically request it.

This is a very tough decision.  We are also struggling with it.

We have both kinds of lists.  The subscriber list to our blog is strictly Opt-In.  The list of people who have purchased something from us is Opt-Out.  The first list is extremely valuable.  The second is not worth much.

Carl Ingalls 610-627-9030
Embossing Technologies

— From Kirk Mousley, 19 Oct 2010, 4:31pm —
Hi Carl,

There is no question an opt-in list is much better.

My problem is how do you “prospect” with an opt-in list?  In my mind, prospecting means reaching out to people that don’t know you.

Kirk Mousley, Ph.D.
President
Mousley Consulting, Inc.

— From Carl Ingalls, 19 Oct 2010, 5:17pm —
Kirk,

I think what you are doing is marketing, not prospecting.  Marketing is done with messages that are broadcast to a large number of people at once, where the price per contact is small enough to justify the very small success rates.  Prospecting is done one-on-one.

Marketing to an opt-in list has a much higher success rate than marketing to an opt-out list.  The size of the opt-out list has to be a huge multiple of the size of the opt-in list before it has any hope of being as effective.

Carl Ingalls 610-627-9030
Embossing Technologies

— From Kirk Mousley, 19 Oct 2010, 5:24pm —
How do you market to get people to opt-in?

I had not really thought there was a lot of difference between marketing and prospecting.

My take is that normally you would get a list and start making calls.  That is prospecting.

I suppose one-to-one email would be closer to prospecting but still very low success rate.

Kirk

— From Carl Ingalls, 19 Oct 2010, 11:00pm —
Kirk,

This is an extremely important principle at the core of High Probability Selling.  We do not attempt to “get” people to do anything.  Instead, we find (or attract) people who want to do it for their own reasons.

There are two very significant problems with the intention to get people to do something.

  • The first is that it’s counterproductive.   It doesn’t work often enough to compensate for the negative reactions it generates.  Your intention and your attempts to carry it out create resistance against you.
  • The second is that holding onto this intention will prevent you from being successful with High Probability Selling.

This principle is also very useful when giving advice to a paying client.  I have discovered that my clients are far more likely to take my advice if I make no attempt at all to “get” them to take my advice.   When my clients actually take my advice, they get a lot more benefit from me than when they don’t, and they hire me back more often.  I believe that this is part of the reason my business has improved so much lately.

Carl Ingalls

— From Jacques Werth, 20 Oct 2010, 10:44am —
Carl,

With some minor changes, this is a very good blog article.

Jacques

— From Carl Ingalls, 20 Oct 2010, 2:36pm —
Kirk,

Jacques suggested that our email conversation might make an excellent post on our blog.  I agree.

Do I have your permission to post an edited version of this conversation thread (starting with your broadcast email dated 12 Oct) on our blog?   I will send it to you for your approval first (and also to Jacques).

If you are ok with it, I would like to identify you and your consulting company in the post.

Carl Ingalls

— From Kirk Mousley, 20 Oct 2010, 3:58pm —
Hi Carl,

I guess it would depend on how bad I look.

Let me know what you come up with, and we can decide.

Kirk

— From Carl Ingalls, 20 Oct 2010, 4:32pm —
Kirk,

In my opinion, our email conversation presents you in a positive light.  I would not want to proceed if it didn’t.  Let’s see what Jacques thinks.  If he feels the same way I do, then I will put the conversation together and send it to you (and to Jacques) before I do anything else with it.

Carl Ingalls

— From Jacques Werth, 21 Oct 2010, 6:55am —
Kirk and Carl,

It’s admirable that a skilled high-tech consultant wants to learn how to communicate more effectively with his clients and prospects.  If we stay focused on that intention, Kirk will come across as who he really is.  Mutual respect is already demonstrated in your conversations.

That kind of authenticity is uncommonly interesting to most people.

Jacques

Posted by Carl Ingalls at 10:51 pm
 

Have you ever noticed that the very top salespeople in the sales force rarely attend the sales meetings that are mandatory for everyone else?   Have you ever wondered why?

The usual explanation is that their high sales performance causes them to be excused from having to attend the sales meetings.  But what if it’s the other way around?

What if their great success in selling is because they don’t attend the sales meetings?

Posted by Carl Ingalls at 4:24 pm
 

In trying to learn what we now call the High Probability Selling Paradigm, I found that it works to understand how most people think and/or intuitively react.  Security and Reliability are the most important motivations of most people who are ready, willing, and able to satisfy a need that they have.  That is usually expressed as:

  • I have a problem or need and I know the value of solving it now.
  • I don’t want to learn how, or to do it myself.
  • I want a reliable solution that will solve my problem.
  • I don’t necessarily want the best product or service available.
  • I just want something that I’m sure will work.
  • I don’t want to be sold on what I already want or to be confused.
  • I want to deal with someone I trust and respect.

We call those people “High Probability Prospects.”  They make up 0.5 to 2 percent of the market for most products and services. An efficient way to find them is to make prospecting offers to a highly targeted prospecting list.

Posted by Jacques Werth at 12:31 am
 

It is very difficult to hit a baseball, thrown at over 80 miles per hour, with a regulation sized bat.  You get to swing the bat at the ball up to three times, each time you get up to bat.  If you get a hit one out of every four times at bat, that’s up to twelve attempts to hit the ball.  Almost any team will pay you $2,000,000 a year to do that.  You also get a three month vacation and free coaching.  If you can get a hit one out of every three times you go to bat, you can make upwards of $5,000,000 per year.  That is the sports entertainment business.

In most other businesses, salespeople only make about $165,000 per year to sell one out of four prospects.  On average they get about 4 attempts to sell each prospect.   Salespeople who sell three out of four prospects and only need to make 2 attempts per prospect, often make upwards of $700,000 – and they have to pay for their own coaching.  However, it’s a lot easier than hitting a baseball.

Posted by Jacques Werth at 7:57 pm
 

This may be the single most important buying concept that most salespeople never learn.

  • People don’t buy because you convinced them.  Persuasion creates resistance.
  • People don’t buy because you think they need what you are selling, even if you are right.
  • People don’t buy because you create an urgency.
  • People don’t buy because you need to make a sale.
  • People don’t buy because they are interested.

Prospects who are merely “interested” are not ready to buy.  Yet, salespeople try to get prospects interested in their products and services.  Those salespeople believe that educating prospects is a good sales strategy, and that a prospect will feel obligated in some way.  However, this makes the prospect feel uncomfortable.  Therefore, when prospects really are ready, willing, and able to buy, they seldom buy from the salesperson who educated them.

The good news is that, at any given time, a small percentage of the market for your type of products and services is ready, willing, and able to buy.  The best salespeople know how to find them and close sales with them quickly.  Meanwhile, the other salespeople are spending their time with prospects that are not ready to buy.

Posted by Jacques Werth at 7:38 pm
 

It’s harder to trust someone whose first thought is to influence my purchase decision.  Even if I can see that they only want to steer me toward something they think will be good for me, I know that they are not focused on listening to what I want, and that it’s going to be a time-consuming transaction at best.  If I wanted their help in making a purchase decision, I would ask for it.

Trust takes more than just good intentions.  Knowing that someone’s intention is to persuade me to go with something that they believe will be better for me is not enough, and especially if they haven’t listened.   Many terrible things have been done by people with good intentions.   I also need to trust in their ability to hear me well, and also in their ability to make good judgments based upon what they hear.  If they start out with anything at all that suggests a desire to influence me, then they have failed on both of those counts.

I would rather do business with someone who listens to what I want and helps me get it, than with someone who wants to change my mind.

Posted by Carl Ingalls at 3:45 pm
 

High Probability Selling is more about being than doing.  It requires a radical change in a person, not just a radical change in action.

Who you are is revealed to other people by what you do.  People make conscious and unconscious decisions about who you really are, in response to things you do both consciously and unconsciously.  Very few people are fooled when you pretend to be someone you are not.  It feels wrong.

We teach High Probability Selling as a sales process, the details of what to do and how to do it.  Using this process will change who you are.  If it does not change you, it is not likely to work for you.

When you start using High Probability Selling, people will see a new person.  This is the kind of person that decision makers prefer to deal with.  People who cannot be or become that kind of person usually cannot “get themselves” to follow the process.  It feels wrong.

If you want to understand more about this, we recommend that you read the book “High Probability Selling” by Jacques Werth and Nicholas Ruben.  It tells the story of a person who is learning, doing, and being transformed by High Probability Selling.

Note:  You can read the Intro and the first 4 chapters of the book “High Probability Selling” online.

Posted by Carl Ingalls at 4:38 pm
 

For most salespeople, establishing a relationship with someone is the most difficult and confronting aspect of High Probability Selling.  It requires the salesperson to forget about selling and just be a person.  It’s also the single most important step in High Probability Selling.

It’s a time when you don’t talk about your product at all.  Your only purpose is to get to know the prospect and determine whether he or she is someone you can trust and respect.  That decision is key because it determines whether you’re willing to do business with that person.  You learn that through conversation and by asking questions.

When you don’t trust and respect someone, it’s very tough to hide it.  If you don’t, they’ll know it almost as soon as you do, and they won’t want to do business with you.  But more importantly, you’ll know it and you won’t want to do business with them.  If you try to do business with someone you don’t trust and respect, you’ll never have a workable relationship.  And if the relationship isn’t workable, it’ll be difficult and unrewarding at best, forever.

Put yourself in the prospect’s place.  If you were the prospect and you felt that someone was trying to get you to do something, you would naturally try to protect yourself.  That’s where resistance, suspicion and hostility come from.  Whatever the salesperson does or says in that kind of environment will be construed as manipulative, insincere and inevitably creates resistance.

In High Probability Selling we only do business with people we trust and respect.  When you’re establishing a relationship with a prospect, your purpose is to discover who the person inside the prospect is and how he or she got to be there, both personally and professionally.  How you do that varies.  Everyone’s style is different.

In order to determine whether you trust and respect someone, you have to really get to know them – find out what makes them tick.  What motivates them and why?  What incidents or feelings shaped who they are?  How they wound up in their current job?  The search goes way beyond surface amenities.

It’s not a matter of prying or trying to manipulate.  You only have a limited period of time to spend on a call and you sincerely want to develop a relationship that means something.  All meaningful relationships, professional or personal, are based on mutual trust and respect.  If you can develop that kind of relationship with a customer you have such a competitive edge that is very difficult for anyone else to overcome.  Everyone prefers to do business with someone they trust and respect.  If you don’t develop that kind of relationship with a customer and get to know who they are at a personal level, you’re just another salesperson to them.

In order to do what I’m suggesting, you have to be sincerely interested in the prospect.  That kind of sincerity can’t be faked.  People know when you’re asking questions and only pretending to be interested in the answers.  When that happens the prospect will abruptly cut you short.

Remember, your purpose in discovering what makes a prospect tick isn’t to uncover any “hot buttons” or what it will take to convince, persuade or manipulate someone to buy.  It’s to see whether they are the kind of person you’re willing to do business with – to see whether you trust and respect them.

To do that you probably have to operate in a way that’s goes against everything you’ve been taught or conditioned to do in sales.  You have to let go of “trying to please,” “dancing to the prospect’s tune,” “getting them to like you,” “being interested in what they’re interested in” and “flattering them.”  You’re not there to impress, entice, or “build rapport.”  You’re not there to “get them to buy.”  You’re there to discover whether there’s a mutually acceptable basis for doing business, or not.

Editor’s Note:  This blog post is excerpted from the book, “High Probability Selling” by Jacques Werth and Nicholas Ruben.

Posted by Jacques Werth at 11:53 am
 

This is an overview of the things we Believe In, the fundamental beliefs at the core of High Probability Selling, the things we stand for.  Our best customers are the people who share our deepest beliefs.

  • Everyone deserves dignity and self-respect.
  • Honesty really is the best policy.  It is the most reliable strategy for real success.  People who believe this strongly enough make it true.
  • There is abundance in the world, and you will find it if you know how to look.
  • Authenticity is about being what you believe in, not merely acting it out.
  • Success comes from providing value.  We define value as what other people want.
  • Observation overrules logic.  An idea does not have to be logical to be true.  Sometimes the things that work best don’t make sense at first.
  • It’s not magic.  Ordinary people can learn and copy what the most successful people do.  No special mysterious talents are required.

We thank Simon Sinek for his TED talk on How great leaders inspire action, which inspired us to feature “What We Believe In” as a category in this blog.

Jacques Werth and Carl Ingalls

Posted by Jacques Werth and Carl Ingalls at 3:24 pm
 

It’s been well known for at least 70 years that “Prospects buy on emotion and justify with logic.”  So why is it that average salespeople rely only on logic to sell their products and services?

Perhaps they don’t realize that the very top producing salespeople always rely on their ability to reach the emotional core of their prospects.  The connections that they achieve result in profound relationships of mutual trust and respect.

This changes the basic concept of what selling really is.

You can read more about this concept in our book, “High Probability Selling”.  The first four chapters are online.

Posted by Jacques Werth at 4:08 pm
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