Jacques Werth

 

A recent graduate of our High Probability Selling (HPS) and High Probability Prospecting (HPP) Workshops wrote to us about how his new mindset about selling has changed his sales career.

Jacques and Richard,

Thank you for the HPS and HPP workshops.  You have given me a new mindset that has changed the way I interact with people (both at work and at home) and that has given me a foundation to build the rest of my sales career on.  Before I took your class I wasn’t hurting or about to quit my job, but I was starting to plateau.  Your workshops have made my old ceiling my new floor.

Today I finished an appointment that I know I would not have been able to close using my old sales techniques.  Instead of presenting my product through my understanding of the prospect’s situation (i.e. guessing what they wanted), I was able to gain their trust and respect and to understand exactly what they wanted and what they were willing to live without.  The best part is that a number of my old “lost” sales fall into the same category as the prospect above.  It’s like I’ve opened up a whole new market simply by talking differently to my current market.

Thanks again

Note:  We have not identified the author of this email, because the High Probability way of thinking is not what his company currently believes about selling.

 

On an evening in 1980, I was standing at the bar talking with Jo Anne Astrow, one of the owners of the Improv Comedy Club in West Hollywood.  As usual, the club was packed with a large spirited crowd, including several well-known entertainers.

Robin Williams came up and said “Hey, Jo” and gave her a hug.  His frenetic energy was like a burst of static electricity.

Jo Anne said, “Meet my cousin Jacques. He’s visiting from Philly.”

I said, “What are you up to Robin?”

“Trying to perfect a new routine – something that connects better and gets more laughs.”

I said, “You seem to be getting the hang of it lately.”

Robin said, “If I can’t do that I might have to wash dishes.  What do you do?”

“I’m in sales.”

“How are you doing?” he asked.

“I’m the sales manager of a company that just became the industry leader.”

Robin said, “Then we’re both up to the same thing – unless you wanted a career in dish washing.”

Yes, we are both up to the same thing.  In a way, all of us are in sales.  We each have to get very good at selling in order to be successful in doing whatever it is that we want to do.  Otherwise, we might as well be washing dishes.

 

Earlier this year, I answered the phone and a man said “I hate cold-calling.”

I said, “I’ve heard that from hundreds of salespeople. What about warm-calling?”

Warm-calling, what’s that?” he asked.

I asked, “What’s your name and what do you sell?”

Ten minutes later, I knew Robert was calling lab managers, at myriad different types of laboratories, trying to get appointments to sell lab equipment and supplies. He had a good value proposition and he was trying to get the prospects interested enough to give him an appointment.  He seldom got appointments and, when he did, he rarely sold anything.

Most successful salespeople have been cold-calling for a very long time.  They are the survivors, the ones who stuck it out, put up with the pain and pressure, and hardened themselves to rejection. They learned how to get appointments with prospects who are interested in their products and services. Now, they get enough orders to earn a good living.

The first call that top producing salespeople make to a prospect is, by definition, a cold-call.  However, they don’t try to get appointments. They offer their product or service and ask the prospects if it is what they want.  Then, they call the same prospects every few weeks, again-and-again. They, change the wording of their offers each time.  Those are warm-calls. When a prospect is ready to change to a new supplier, it’s the prospect who asks for an appointment. A high percentage of those prospects eventually become customers. That’s just one of the results of “warm-calling.”

So, Robert learned warm-calling. “Now I make the most prospecting calls of all our salespeople, and the fewest sales visits,” he said. “And, my sales volume is  growing faster than I would ever have imagined.”

Obviously, there is a lot more to warm-calling than is explained in this article.

If you want to know more, or to tell me why you think it’s impossible, feel free to post your questions and opinions as a comment below.

 

Why Most Top Producers Don’t Use CRM
Top sales producers (the top 2%) are typically ambitious, highly intelligent and pragmatic.  Most will use any available technology that enables them to sell more and better.  Top producers seldom use CRM (Customer Relationship Management) systems because their own sales processes are different from the sales process that is installed in the SFA (Sales Force Automation) part of the system.  If the top producers’ actual sales process is installed in the CRM system, they’ll use it.  That will benefit them, most of the other salespeople, and the bottom line of the company.

Interviewing Top Producers Does Not Work
Most of top producers learned to sell intuitively, experientially, and individually.  They can seldom accurately communicate how they sell.  Most “best sales practices” studies fail to identify the sales processes of the best producers.  Most of the research methods are question based.  Thus, they are biased at several levels.

An Effective Research Method
The best way to determine your company’s best sales process is to base it on unbiased observations of what your best salespeople actually do.  Observing them while they are working with their prospects and customers will reveal your company’s actual best sales process.  Then, the sales process installed in your existing software system can create a significant increase in sales productivity.

 

Hi Jacques,

A lot has happened in my life since I took your High Probability Prospecting class.  I want to say that you’ve made a huge impact on my life and way of thinking.  And I thank you for that.

Doing business only with people I trust and respect has been a major piece to increasing my self-confidence and self-respect.  I know it may seem obvious and basic to you, but it was a brand-new concept to me.  It never dawned on me that I had a choice about who I dealt with.  It makes ALL the difference in the world.

Little things like always introducing myself as “Michael Henry” instead of simply “Michael” has definitely caused people to treat me differently.  Every time I hear my business peers introduce themselves only with their first name (which is most of the time) it makes me think of you and your excellent advice.

Using the phone strategies and etiquette that you taught me has made my business calls much more effective, efficient, and productive.  And just like you said, if people realize that I’m genuinely interested in who they are and how they got to where they are in life, they will pour it out.  It’s nothing short of magical.  People tell me all kinds of things about themselves if I just ask and honestly listen.  Jacques, it’s opened up an incredible new world to me!

Understanding — at a deep level — that people only buy what they want (not what they need) has helped me tremendously in dealing with people.  Realizing that a positive mental attitude is bullshit has also helped me chart a course in my life that gets me where I want to go.

Even though I am not currently in a sales position, I am frequently using many of the life philosophy and concepts that you taught me.  I am forever grateful to you for that.

Not a day goes by that I don’t put into action the life philosophy you taught me.  And I’m a much happier, healthier guy because of it.

Michael Henry

 

Most salespeople avoid answering the price question until after they have built value in the eyes of the prospect.  How do you feel about a salesperson who dodges your questions about price when you are the buyer?  Most prospects know exactly what the salesperson is doing and they resent it.  That resentment ends in too many “I have to think it over” results.

At the beginning of the sales process many prospects ask about price.  Most salespeople conclude that price must be very important to that prospect.  However, less than twenty percent of major purchases (excluding commodities) go to the low price supplier.

Most of the top sales producers have a very different attitude when a prospect asks about price.  They respond without hesitation, and give the prospect an authentic price range.  Example:  “Depending on exactly what you want, the price range is between $16,000 and $24,000.  Are you able and willing to buy within that range?”

Top sales producers understand that most prospects who ask about price only want to know whether the price is in the ballpark of what they can and will pay.

If the prospect does not ask the price question early in the sales process, top sales producers bring it up.  They want to know the prospect’s answer to avoid wasting time and emotional stamina on a prospect that is very unlikely to buy.

 

Here is an example of what High Probability Selling is like from a prospect’s viewpoint.  I received the following email in response to a telephone conversation about sales training:


From: Joseph Schoolland
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:26 PM
To: Jacques Werth
Subject: Thank you

Jacques,

Thank you very much for your time this morning.  In all honesty, before I called you, I was nervous that you were going to pressure me into signing up for a workshop.  Since I’ve already read your book I should have known that high pressure sales wasn’t your thing.

I’ve heard other sales trainers preach that you need to “remove the sales pressure” and “be yourself”, but they immediately turn me off because they start using high pressure tactics to get me to buy their stuff. You are the only person in this industry that I’ve met so far that truly practices what you preach.

Best,

Joseph

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Joseph Schoolland
Populi

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This email is posted here with permission from Joseph Schoolland.

 

I got a call from someone named Ed.  “I’m interested in your sales training programs,” he said.

“What does it mean when you say you’re interested,” I asked.

“What would happen if I took your sales training courses?”

I said, “I don’t know.  Why do you ask?”

He said, “I’ve been in sales for over twenty years, and I’ve made a decent living.  But now we have a son who’s a freshman in college and a daughter who’s sixteen.  Tuition for both of them, even with student loans, might break us.  Frankly, I need to make more money.  What can you do for me?”

“What do you mean?” I asked.

“I have been reading up on all kinds of sales training and yours seems to be the only one that is entirely different from the way I’ve been selling all along.”

“Why is selling differently important?” I asked.

“It’s like the difference between a tricycle and a Harley.  I need something with a lot more power.  And, your book describes a way of selling that has a lot more power.”

“Isn’t it a lot more difficult to learn to ride a Harley than a tricycle?” I said.

Ed said, “I’m willing to do whatever it takes.”

“I suggest that you fill out two questionnaires that will give us an estimate of how likely it is that you will be successful with High Probability Selling.  If they indicate that you are a good candidate for High Probability Selling, then you might want to take the starter course called ‘Powerful Listening.’  Does that work for you?”

“What does that cost?”

“There’s no charge for the questionnaires,” I said.  “The cost of the Powerful Listening Workshop is $165.”

“I’m in a hurry to get started, said Ed.  “Is there any reason you don’t want me to just sign up for the training immediately?  I’m at your website and I know what the costs are.”

“We would rather be confident that High Probability Selling is a good fit for you before you enroll,” I said.  “That would be better for us.  How would it be for you?”

“How long before I’ll get results from those questionnaires?” Ed asked.

“Between three and four working days is normal.  What do you want to do?”

Ed said, “If you tell me how to find your questionnaires I’ll answer the questions immediately.  And, thank you for being so helpful.”

I said, “You’re welcome.”

He said, “This whole conversation has been just like what’s in your book.  I can’t wait to learn how to do that.  Thanks again.”

I said, “You’re welcome, again.  Good bye.”


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Almost everything that a top producer does is the opposite of what the average salesperson does.  Learning how to sell like a top producer starts with learning how to STOP doing what the average salesperson does.

Average Salespeople Top Producers
Use small talk and other techniques to seem friendly, courteous, and charming. Do not try to seem friendly.  They focus on doing business with a businesslike attitude.
Try to find prospects who are interested in what they are selling.  They believe that interested people are likely to buy from them. Spend as little time as possible with a prospect who is merely interested.  Interested prospects only want information, and there are plenty of average salespeople who will give it to them without ever making the sale.
Try to get appointments with every qualified prospect who may need what they are selling.  They believe that need is a good indicator that someone is likely to buy. Do not give appointments to just any prospect, but only those who actually want what they are selling and are likely to buy it now.
Try to be liked, using commonality, agreement, and flattery. Do not try to be liked.  They focus instead on whether mutual trust and respect is likely to develop, or not.
Try to persuade and convince prospects of the benefits and value of their products and services. Do not attempt to persuade or convince.  If the prospect does not want what they are selling, they find one who does.
Try to close the sale by overcoming objections. Do not create objections in the first place.  The prospect closes the sale.

Average salespeople tend to be frustrated and disappointed with their work, but don’t know how to change what they are doing.  Top producers tend to be happy with their work and are always looking for more efficient, more productive, and more enjoyable ways of selling.

 

I did not create the sales process that I call High Probability Selling, I discovered it.  I discovered that the top 1% of sales producers do things very differently from the other 99%.  I also discovered that most of them cannot explain what they do, and are unable to teach it to others.

However, you can learn what they do and how to do it yourself by watching them and taking lots of notes.  That’s what I did, with hundreds of top producing salespeople in many different industries.

The result is High Probability Selling, a non-persuasive sales process that is based upon studying what top salespeople actually do.  This process is illustrated in the book “High Probability Selling” and is taught in our sales training courses.

For more information about us, or about the book or our training courses, please visit our main website at www.HighProbSell.com.

 

In my second sales job, at the age of 24, I was about to get our company’s first order from IBM, when I received an answering machine message from our president saying that he was going with me to IBM to help me close the sale.

I called the top salesperson in our company and told him about it.  He said, “You probably won’t get the order if he goes with you, and he will blame you for not getting it.”

I said, “I don’t understand.”

“You’re dealing with the assistant manager and a small group of design engineers in a department of IBM that has over three hundred people.  You’ve been working on the project for over two months and they feel good about doing business with you.  You trust and respect each other.  If our president goes with you, it will imply that he doesn’t trust or respect you.

“He is neither an engineer nor a salesperson.  He’s ‘The President’ of a small company that isn’t even as big as their department at IBM.  He’ll probably dominate the conversation and do his best to impress them about our company’s great capabilities.  Suppose you owned our company.  Would you let him go out on a sales call?”

“No, but what can I do?” I asked.

“Don’t respond to his message.  Contact your customer at IBM and say, ‘I need your help.’  Then, tell him about the situation.”

I did as he advised and, at the suggestion of their assistant manager, I immediately drove up to the Poughkeepsie, NY campus of IBM and checked into a hotel.  The next morning I left IBM with the purchase order in my briefcase.  Then, I returned our president’s call.

 

Here is a question that we’ve heard hundreds of times.  I heard it again, when Shawn called and said, “I have always been told that you should talk about benefits, not features.  Why do you teach salespeople to do the opposite?”

My response was, “Suppose you are sitting in your office, and a salesperson calls you to say, ‘My Company can increase your profits without any out-of-pocket costs.  Let’s get together and I’ll show you how we do that.  Which is better for you, Tuesday at 10:00 or Thursday at 2:30?’  How would you react?”

Shawn answered, “Well, it is obvious that he is trying to get an appointment without revealing what he is selling.  My  prospecting pitch is not so obvious.”

So, I asked him to tell me what he says.

Here it is:  “My name is Shawn.  I’m with the Process Technology division of RMC.  We can lower your machine maintenance costs while increasing your profits.  How much is machine maintenance and downtime costing you now?”

My reply was, “Shawn, if that is working for you, why did you call us?”

“Well, it isn’t working very well,” he said, “that’s why I called.  Almost everyone refuses to answer the question.  Once in a while, someone will ask me to explain how we do that.  Then, I try to set an appointment to show them, and they refuse.”

“Why do you think you have been getting those results?” I asked.

“I think that people are so sick and tired of getting sales calls, that they treat all salespeople badly.”

I replied, “Top salespeople seldom get those kinds of reactions.  Have you considered that you might be creating those results?”

“Why would anyone not want to save money and increase profits?” he asked.

“Perhaps your ‘pitch’ makes them feel like a fish that is being offered a worm, with a great big hook sticking out of it,” I said.  “Most intelligent people react that way when presented with benefits that are intended to entice them.”

Most people who have a need for your products or services already know that they have the need.  Those prospects want a clear, very brief description of what you are selling, and they want to know a couple of important features.  If they can perceive the benefit of at least one of those features, you will usually get a positive response.”

“So, why does our sales manager tell us to only use benefits in our pitches?” Shawn asked.

“It’s probably because he believes that it is the right way to sell.  But, he does not remember how ineffective it was when he was selling – before he became a manager and trainer.”

“Well, if I don’t do it his way, I’ll probably lose my job,” he said.

“If you continue to do it his way, and your sales do not improve, do you think that you will keep your job?” I asked.

Shawn said he would have to think about that.

What do you think?

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